sue702

Old thread ball sizes

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I have a number of vintage patterns one of which is a chair back set which I want to make. I want to use a partular thread I have available, but I cannot work out how much thread the pattern is asking for.:think The pattern says 5 balls of thread, no length or weight, I assume therefore that balls used to be standard sizes. I have written to Coats to ask them and have had no reply, does anyone know per thickness (10, 20 and 30) what the ball sizes would have been in white? Also some patterns ask for Big Balls :eek and ideas on that one ?

 

In the past I have just started and seen where my thread has got me, but as this is a somewhat larger project I want to make sure I don't run out mid-set.

 

Thanks for any help or ideas.

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Thanks but I have been all over that site and they give information on what is available today, but no details on what balls used to be like.

 

Any other ideas? Please?

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I've just seen I can't post the website where the pattern is but here is all the information that I have from the beginning of the pattern, no information on gauge.

 

The pattern is from 1944

MATERIALS: J. & P. COATS' Six CORD MERCER-CROCHET, Size 30, Blue Label; 5 balls of White or Ecru, or of any color.

MILWARD'S SHIP BRAND STEEL CROCHET HOOK No. 9.

Chair Back - about 10 x 16 inches. Arm Pieces - about 7 x 10 inches.

 

 

I'd post a photo if I knew how.

 

 

 

Any suggestions?

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I'm sorry, I misunderstood your original question and thought you were asking which thread SIZE, not amount of thread. Sue, if you are using white (which I can't tell for sure from your posts) it probably won't matter much if you have to buy extra. I say that with the caveat that if your stash is very old it could have become discolored. In that case mixing lots won't work. I've mixed whites from different dyelots before and it is totally unnoticeable.

 

Basically, go for it! Buy extra if you need to.

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Thanks Carla. I'm guessing that the orginal balls were 500 yards (that is the standard today for 30 cotton as far as I can tell from American websites) so they are asking for 2500 yards or 2250 metres which in the thread I have is 425 grams (cotton is sold in grams here in Europe very confusing!). I have 400 grams of white plus some extra (maybe up to 80 grams) from half finished balls. Unfortunately the brand is now discontinued so I can't just buy another ball and it is a bit close to the edge. :ohdear

 

If however, the balls used to be 400 yards (today's standard for 20 and 10 cotton as far as I can tell) then I need 2000 yards, 1800 metres in my cotton = 340 grams, so I am well in. :clap

 

Still pondering what to do.

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Hmmmm... if you do run out or get close, could you make the "head chair" somewhat different? My dining chairs are all armless except for one, the head. Or possibly make some other relatively minor change to all the chairs so that you mix newer thread with your original?

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Sue,

Looking at the date of this post, you have probably already started your chair set. Wanted to let you know the Best 6 cord did NOT have 500 yds, but only 350. The six cord was more expensive to make, hence less yardage than the standard 3-ply.

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Sue,

Looking at the date of this post, you have probably already started your chair set. Wanted to let you know the Best 6 cord did NOT have 500 yds, but only 350. The six cord was more expensive to make, hence less yardage than the standard 3-ply.

 

I am so glad that you posted this, as I've been going a bit crazy trying to find yardage of the threads called for in vintage patterns. I've done a pretty good Google search for yardage charts to no avail.

 

The pattern that I want to begin is for a centerpiece or a tablecloth (if one is so ambitious) and for the centerpiece it calls for: :

 

J&P Coats or Clarks ONT Best Six Cord Mercerized Crochet Cotton, size 30: Small ball: J & P Coats—7 balls of White or Ecru, or any color; or Clarks ONT—11 balls of White or Ecru, or 13 balls of any color. Steel crochet hook No.10.

 

This is very confusing to me as both requirements are say Clarks ONT!!!

 

Do you have any other yardages?

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The small balls normally had about 125 yards of thread on them. So calculate from there. Add at least 25% more for the larger thread you wish to use and you should be fairly close.

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Just a bit off topic.... This isn't going to help your search, but you may find it interesting....A bit of history from Coats, Their early cotton thread was very coarse and wiry, suitable only for hand sewing. In the 1860's they developed a softer thread that could be used in the recently invented sewing machines. It was known as Our New Thread or the ONT that soon became part of their trademark. It is still used today,150 years later!

 

I have many old advertising and trade cards from the late 1800's that show the old advertisements from Coats and Clark, pretty interesting. They were passed down in an old scrapbook that is from my Mom's side of the family.

 

Here is a page about Coats history.... the info about ONT is under "1864"

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Thank you Kathy, and thanks too Mattenylou for some interesting info.

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I'm interpreting the yarn requirements to be written in a sort of back and forth way; first listing 2 brands, then listing the amount of each brand. I'd read it as

 

J & P Coats Best Six Cord Mercerized Crochet Cotton, size 30: small ball:—7 balls of White or Ecru, or any color, or

Clarks ONT Best Six Cord Mercerized Crochet Cotton, size 30: small ball:—11 balls of White or Ecru, or 13 balls of any color

 

My SIL had recently brought me some miscellaneous thread that she'd found at a jumble sale, one is a JP Coats Best 6 cord BIG BALL, size 20, which is 300 yards, and some Clark's (probably 3 cord) BIG BALLs size 30, in colors at 250 yards. Based on some similar colorways I remember buying when I started crocheting around 1970 I'd suspect these are a similar vintage. So all this implies is that small balls have less yardage than 250-300 yards.

 

The DMC 6-cord cordonnet that I've seen at Michael's is a smaller ball than these, it's 216 yards.

 

Not sure if this helps, but just a few clues...

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