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I hope I have this under the right category this time.  There is no link to a pattern. I will try to explain my problem as best as I can.  I am making a doily and the pumpkin is in the center and now I started the white part of the doily.  Rund1: Join white with sc in any ch sp, [ch5, sc in next ch sp } around, to join, ch2, dc in first sc forming last ch sp.  (72 ch sps). This is the last time the number of spaces you are supposed to have is mentioned.  RNDS2-7: Ch1, sc in ch sp just made, {ch5, sc in next ch sp} around, to join, ch2, dc in first sc forming last ch sp.

Rnds:8-11:  Ch1,(sc ch3, sc} in ch sp just made, (ch5, (sc, ch3, sc) in next ch sp) around, to join Ch 2, dc in first sc forming last ch sp.

Rnd12:  Sk ch-3sps, ch1, (sc, ch3, sc) in ch sp just made, ch5, (sc, ch3, tr) in next ch sp, (tr, ch3, sc) in next ch sp, (ch5, sc, ch3, sc) in next ch sp,ch5 (sc, ch3, tr)in next ch sp,(tr ch3 sc) in next ch space) around, to join, ch2, dc in first sc forming last ch sp.

Rnd13:sk ch-3 sps, ch1,(sc ch3, tr) in ch sp just made, *(tr, ch3, sc) in next ch sp, ch5, (sc, ch3, sc) in sp between 2 tr, ch5**, ( sc, ch3, tr) in next ch sp, rep from * around, ending last rep at**, join which sl sit in beg sc.

I understand how to do it I just seem to have too many stitches.  The next step is to put 24 leaves around the circle between 2 groups of triple crochets.  At the end of row 12 I have 960 stitches.  I am just now staring row 13 and I can tell I have way too many spaces for the leaves to go around evenly.  I also wanted to know on rnd13 after the second asterik do I do the (sc ch3,tr) and then go back to the beginning of the asterik. I was not sure about the (sc, ch3, tr) after the double asterik.

I really want to make this project and I don't know where I went wrong with the spaces.  Thank you for any help you can give.

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Hi again!  :waving   For reference of people who want to help, I tried to find a good photo of the doily to link to, but I can't.  Somebody is selling the book on etsy and there's a photo of the back of the book.   the doily is in the left column, second from top, w/pumpkin in the center and black cats at the edge  https://www.etsy.com/listing/550669369/the-big-book-of-holiday-crochet-by?gpla=1&gao=1&&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_us_b-craft_supplies_and_tools-other&utm_custom1=9eb382bb-382d-4078-9ca4-ef6a5849470d&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6I7Uncud1gIVmbXACh0Z_AZgEAQYAyABEgK-8fD_BwE

the book is still available from epatternscentral but there's no pic of this pattern.

Red Dog, what is the title of this specific pattern?   

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When you say you have 960 stitches, I assume you are counting chains and stitches.  Is that right?  

960 sounds like a huge amount, but with all the chain spaces, I'm not sure it isn't right.  Other people here are lots better at math than me, so I won't try to work it out , and hopefully someone else will.  :2blush

I think all the sc-ch3-sc are forming picots, aren't they?  so they just sit there and do not get stitched into.  

Can you take a photo of what you have made so far?  a close up of a portion of it to show the stitches would be really helpful.

 

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Hi Kathy! I didn't see you answered here. I answered in the other thread. I'm going to copy my answer here.

Red Dog: please reply here and not the other thread. Thanks!

Kathy is right about both things. I didn't notice the section. Otherwise I would have said the same thing.  You should remove the pics. 

However, now that I've seen the pic, I get what the problem is. Rnds 8-11 should read {...} in next ch-5sp. The sc,ch3,sc is decorative and is the same function as the sc in rnds 1-7. So, your count is the same.

What I don't get is why there are no increases in 11 rounds. The ch5,sc around is a very stretchy combination, however 11 rounds seems like a lot without any increases.

Check your ch-5 sp count at the end of rnd 7. Is it 72? If yes, then you should be fine with rnds 8-11. Just do the sc,ch3,sc in the ch-5 spaces to keep the same count. If no, something is wrong with how you're doing rnds 2-7. Either way, let us know.

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Thanks for responding.  I wanted to give your more information.

RND: 12 Sk ch-3ps, ch 1, (sc, ch3, sc) in ch sp just made, ch5, (sc, ch3, tr) in next ch sp, ( tr, ch3, sc) in next ch sp, {ch5, (sc, ch 3, sc) in next ch sp, ch5, (sc, ch3, tr) in next ch sp, (tr Ch 3, sc) in next ch sp] around, to join ch2, dc in first sc forming last ch sp.

Rnd 13:  Sk c-3 sps. Ch1, (sc ch3, tr) in ch sp just made, *(tr, ch3, sc) in next ch sp, ch5, ( sc, ch3, sc) in sp between next 2 tr, ch 5**, (sc, ch3, tr) in next chsp, rep from * around, ending last rep at**, join with sl st in beg sc.  So after the ** do I do the sc, ch3, tr) and go back to the first * repeat.  After round 12 is when I have the 960 stitches which I know is too much because after round 13 there are 24 leaves that go around the circle between 2 tr groups, thats not going to work.  I have been crocheting for a long time, I don't know why this is not working out.  I am going to rip it out and start again.  Any more suggestions you have I would appreciate.  If there is any way, I could get old of the designer I would.

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It's really difficult to picture in my mind what's happening. Here's a link to the book on ravelry. At the bottom are links to the designers. If the designer of the pumpkin doily is listed, you can msg her on ravelry.

http://www.ravelry.com/patterns/sources/annies-attic-876514-the-big-book-of-holiday-crochet

The other thing you can try is contact the publisher from their website. They often keep notes on patterns that had questions. 

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image.thumb.jpg.df2a8d3ad8009b0d8925fb9f72f587f2.jpgyes I am counting stitches and spaces.  The name of the pattern is Halloween Table Topper with Cat Motifs.   I have tried on Raverly to contact the designer and also  the publisher.  Could not get any information.  I am not sure if you would call the picots. I will attach a picture of what I have done so far but its hard to see the stitches on rows 12 and 13 because it is so ruffled.  This doily is supposed to be 33" in diameter.

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Wow that is REALLY ruffled, you weren't kidding about that!  

In rnd 11 you have the sc, ch3, sc as part of the round.  Then I think starting with round 12 you do not stitch into those, that's why I said they are like picots, just decorative.  At beginning of 12-13 it says skip them.  So by stitching into them you have about twice as many chain loops as you should.  

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I did skip them.  I don't know why I can't figure it out but there is no way 24 leafs between 2 groups of trs  need 960 stiches well it would be a few less if I finished row 13 but not enough.  Did you see in the other post about the asteriks, I wanted to know if I was doing that  correctly. 

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8 minutes ago, RED DOG said:

I did skip them

In what I can see of the beginning of the very ruffled rows, it looks like you worked into them.  ???

What I think the pattern means is to skip every sc,ch3, sc.  all the way thru the round, not just the first one in the round.  

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look at the big photo of the doily in your pattern.  you can see it looks just like yours up to a point.  then yours starts to ruffle, but the pattern photo shows the sc-ch3-sc picots are sitting under the bigger ch loops and the picots are not stitched into.  i don't see unstitched-into picots in yours, i see all ch loops are stitched into. 

if i'm looking at it wrong, can you flatten out part of the ruffly section and take a photo of that?  

 

meant to also ask, how did you try to contact the publisher?  DRG/Annies used to have pretty good pattern support.  i think they are still selling this book in ebook format on epatternscentral, so one hopes they still have some kind of support for those patterns.  tell us how you tried to contact the publisher and maybe we can locate a better route to to contact them.  

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I agree with Kathy. Round 8 starts the replacing the sc with sc,ch3,sc in the ch-5 spaces. In round 9, continue with sc,ch3,sc ONLY IN THE CH-5 SPACES. Ignore the ch-3 spaces. Rounds 10 & 11 are the same as round 9.

I can see that in round 9, you did the attachment  (sc,ch3,sc) in every ch-5 space and every ch-3 space. That doubled your count from 72 to 144. Then you did it again in round 10, doubling the count to 288. And again in round 11, doubling the count to 576.

When you do rounds 8-11 ONLY in the ch-5 spaces, the count will remain 72.

Rip back to rnd 7. Make sure the countis 72. Then go foward again.

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I called customer service they gave me an email address for pattern services and they told me the pattern was correct as written and that was it.  I asked them if theycould  give me the publisher contact information and they said they could not do that.  So I emailed them again and asked them to ask the publisher to contact me.   I have not heard back.  I tried to stretch it out some.  Thanks so much for all your help

 

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photo's a big help.  RedDog, you are not skipping the sc-ch3-sc, you are stitching into them, basing new chain loops there.  that's wrong.  

you must SKIP THE SC-CH3-SC!!!

do not stitch into those ch3 loops.

honestly, i really hate patterns like this, which are very wordy and go on and on, i find them very confusing.  give me a good photo, or a stitch diagram, and i'm usually good to go, but longwinded written pattern make my eyes cross.  so it's not just you!  from the pattern photos i could locate, i did realize the ch3s are picots (not stitched into),  but i couldn't tell where you were getting hung up until i read and reread your post where you typed "Rnd 13:  Sk c-3 sps."   the period at the end of that finally made the lightbulb go off.  at the beginning of round 12 and 13, it says to skip the ch3 spaces, and that means to skip all of them, not just the ones at the very beginning of the round.  

Can you see what I'm talking about in your piece?  

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Yes I can and I cannot believe I could not figure it out.  If only all patterns would give you a count at the end of each round how much easier it would be.  I am very determined to make this doily I just love the pattern.  I appreciate all the help.  The pattern is very long I will probably be back with more questions.  Thanks so much for all the help.

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Yea! I'm glad you got it. It'll be a pain to go back to rnd 8, but it will lay flat afterwards. Just make sure you skip all the ch-3 spaces. :)

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Yay from me too!  :cheer   

I agree, st count would help a lot, or the number of chain loops to avoid counting all the chains lol

 

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I went back to round 8 and redid everything and it looks fine, just the way it is supposed to and I have 24 of those little picot stitches and 24 of the tr groups.  So the next part are the white leaves.  A little confused about where to put my needle and the stitches.  Row: 1 with WS of tablecloth facing, join white with sl st in sp between any 2 tr groups, ch2 (ch2 counts as first hdc), hdc in next st, dc in next ch sp leaving remaining stitch unworked turn ( 3 sts).  I am not sure where to start the leaf and I will be working across so after the ch2 what is the next stitch.  Thanks.  I will send a pic of what I have done.

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I am sending another picture.  Ironed it and I think you can see it better.  When you have time see if the picture is more clear.  I just don't know where I am supposed to do that ch2.  Thanks appreciate it.

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i think you are supposed to go in the middle of the tr group; just add on your new yarn there.  after that i am not sure at all.  if i were you i would just do my best and go by the photos in the pattern.  count how many leaves there are, and just do whatever you need to to get than number and have them spaced evenly around the circumference.  then after you get the leaves made, you can go ahead with the outer part of it.  

but thats just me, and like i probably said already, i hate long wordy written patterns so i usually look for diagrammed patterns or just go by the photos.  

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I hope you are not getting tired of my questions but I have another one. I will send you a picture of the first leaf I did and I am starting the second one. For the 2nd Leaf( the one I am working on now) it says to Repeat Rows2-4 of First Leaf.  I have done that but after that row it says to turn. I don't know whether to turn or not. Row5: To join, Dtr in end of row 6 on previous leaf, I get that, sl st in first st on last row of this leaf, are they talking about row 4 that I just joined with row 6 or row3. And then for Row 7 its says to Dtr in end of row 6 and looking at the picture the Dtrs are not done in the same row they are seperated by at least 2 rows so I definitely think this is an error.  If you can, let me know what you think. My chain got pulled loose, anyway if I try to turn and do it the other way its not easy.

Mary

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On 9/22/2017 at 8:25 AM, RED DOG said:

I hope you are not getting tired of my questions but I have another one. I will send you a picture of the first leaf I did and I am starting the second one. For the 2nd Leaf( the one I am working on now) it says to Repeat Rows2-4 of First Leaf.  I have done that but after that row it says to turn. I don't know whether to turn or not. Row5: To join, Dtr in end of row 6 on previous leaf, I get that, sl st in first st on last row of this leaf, are they talking about row 4 that I just joined with row 6 or row3. And then for Row 7 its says to Dtr in end of row 6 and looking at the picture the Dtrs are not done in the same row they are seperated by at least 2 rows so I definitely think this is an error.  If you can, let me know what you think. My chain got pulled loose, anyway if I try to turn and do it the other way its not easy

 

 you asked "after that row it says to turn. I don't know whether to turn or not."   I don't think you should turn, it seems like that would twist the leaf.  

 you asked "sl st in first st on last row of this leaf, are they talking about row 4 that I just joined with row 6 or row3"   I think that must mean to sl st into row 4, to anchor the top of the ditr into the previous leaf.   what does the rest of row 5 say?  and what does row 6 say?

  you asked "for Row 7 its says to Dtr in end of row 6 and looking at the picture the Dtrs are not done in the same row they are seperated by at least 2 rows so I definitely think this is an error."       yes i think thats wrong too.  if row 7 says to dtr into row 6 of previous leaf, then I think on row 4, it should have said to dtr into row 4 of previous leaf, not row 6.

hope this makes sense !  

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Row:5. To join, Dtr in end of row 6 on previous leaf, sl st in first st on last row of this leaf, ch3, dc in same st, dc in each st across with 2 dc in last st, turn (13dc)

Row6:Ch3, dc in same st, dc in each of next 5 sts, fptr around next st, dc in each of next 5 sts, leaving last st unworked, turn.

Row7:  To join Dtr in end of row 6 on previous leaf, sl st in first stitch of last row of this leaf, ch3, dc dec in first 2 sts, dc in each st across to last st, 2 dc in last st, turn. (14 sts)

Well the Dtrs  are definitely seperated, I could just Dtr into 4 and 6, or Dtr into 6 and 8, I don;t think it would matter

I can tell you that on row6 you leave the last st unworked and also on row 8.

I think you are right I should not turn after row 4 because on Row 5 you are not starting out with a Chain (if that makes sense.

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If the last stitch on 6 & 8 were left unworked, then they are the ones used for attaching.

I sometimes get so involved in a pattern that I start over thinking it. You may be that caught up with this pattern. My solution is to walk away from it for a while. Do something else. Anything to take your mind off of it. If your mind is still trying to over think it after a break, try making something quick and simple, lile a dishcloth. Come back with a fresh, clear mind.

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