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Hi! We have a yellow lab, and just got a Husky. I was thinking of possibly spinning, but I don't know the first thing about it. Is it "easy"? Worth it? Any hints and tips would be welcome. I have seen this link, http://www.vipfibers.com/index.php but I"m looking at possibly doing it myself, or finding somewhere cheaper. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

 

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Remember though, it is illegal to sell the item made with dog or animal fur...We found out from some local spinners in my area as we have keeshonden... We weren't going to sell it but they showed us an article about it...I was going to have some spun into thread to make a hat for hubby but I didn't get it done and he had the bags of hair put in a pillow case when he went on a 6 month cruise, can you tell he really loves his dogs....

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Remember though, it is illegal to sell the item made with dog or animal fur...We found out from some local spinners in my area as we have keeshonden... We weren't going to sell it but they showed us an article about it...I was going to have some spun into thread to make a hat for hubby but I didn't get it done and he had the bags of hair put in a pillow case when he went on a 6 month cruise, can you tell he really loves his dogs....

 

I didn't know that! Well then how can the company listed in the first post do this then? Their business is primarily making items from your animals hair... I was kinda hoping to get into doing something like that when I learned a little more about it myself...

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My guess is that it's something that is regulated area to area, by animal welfare laws. Probably has to do with dog farming for fiber. Although, honestly, if we're talking about cruelty here, then wool should be outlawed too.

 

My thought is that if you were clear on the fact that the hair is coming from a *pet* and you're not giving any one any reasons to think you're harming an animal, no one is going to go after you for selling a chiengora scarf or something.

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hm, never heard of it being illegal to sell something made from dog fur. I'll have to look that up, that is what I'd be interested in mainly. Too expensive otherwise. :lol

 

 

Amber

 

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/alerts/furalrt.htm

 

here is one and I sent the link in a pm to you... I never knew it was illegal to sell dog or cat fur items untill it was on a keeshond group that my dh belongs to when someone put something on the auction list...

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It has been illegal since 1998 and they used to be just the pelt, but now it is even the things made with the dead fur...Don't ask me, but I don't see the difference in using the lambs wool that is cut but I have seen cruelty pictures on that as well, and using the fur from your pet to make a garment...

 

 

I do know of people who have gotten their own dog fur spun for them to make things but it has to know that the fur is dog or whatever fur and what percentage and etc, But you can't outright sell items made from it...

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[quote name=Ambersafghans

Actually' date=' I saw one site that said PETA gives two paws up!

so, I really don't know.

 

Amber[/quote]

 

our Peta here, the headquarters is here in norfolk, va, killed animals and thru them in a dumpster... I believe animals, all animals should not be harmed...

 

But I feel you should be able to sell your yarn items from fur but you need to look at your state laws on selling the item, you may still be able to do it but you can't do it across state lines.

 

They had a big uproar in a list I was on about it and we just watched and learned and saw the info on it and I don't want anyone to get fined for doing what you like to do...

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No where in the information in the given link do I see where it says that items made from pet's fur are illegal to sell.

 

It just gives info about labeling, which is legally required on all garments for sale.

 

I'd still sell my stuff, and if I was that worried about it, I'd call my local law agency or ASPCA first.

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Fur Labeling Requirements

 

Fur products — garments made either entirely or partly with fur — must have a label disclosing:

 

The animal name, according to the Fur Products Name Guide.

The Guide — at Section 301.0 of the rules — lists the animals whose fur could be used in a garment. However, simply because a name is on the list does not necessarily make it legal to sell that fur in the U.S. For example, some animals on the list may be endangered species and the sale of their fur prohibited. In addition, the Dog and Cat Protection Act of 2000 prohibits importing, exporting, selling, trading, advertising, transporting, or distributing any products made with dog or cat fur. California criminal law also prohibits selling dog and cat fur in that state.

 

It is illegal to label a fur with the name of any animal other than the animal that produced the fur, and to use coined or fictitious animal names.

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Under section 301.1 - "Terms Defined" - of that same act - The Fur Products ID Act -

 

 

 

(6)The term cat fur means the pelt or skin of any animal of the species Felis catus.

 

(7) The term dog fur means the pelt or skin of any animal of the species Canis familiaris.

 

(8) The term dog or cat fur product means any item of merchandise which consists, or is composed in whole or in part, of any dog fur, cat fur, or both.

 

 

I understand that to exclude only items made from a dead animal, not those made from hair that has been collected through brushing or shearing.

 

Edited to add: The Act can be found in it's entirety here.

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But a friend still got sued in small claims because the buyer didn't know the fancy words for dog fur and was soo offended that was on her head... They have talked about this on my dog list, that it needs to be somewhere on the label that it is dog ro cat fur by humane brushing, and not just the fancy name to the furs as you can get sued. She doesn't even have a business anymore for the fear she was going to get sued again...she did change her labels.

 

There are other protection acts for consumers that isn't about the dog and cat issue and that is where the person got sued...

 

well I wish everyone well who does sell their dog or cat fur spun but to label, label, label the merchandise...even though we all know we have to do that with our selling of crochet we make but it can't be just the fancy name for the layman can get retrubution on it.

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Yuk, what a mess for your friend. I didn't think someone could sue just because they were ignorant about a fiber term. Honestly, I work at a dry cleaners and you'd be amazed at how many people don't know angora comes from rabbits. Something shouldn't be banned just because some people are stupid and can't look up "cheingora" to find out what it is. I think I'd be *more* comfortable wearing fur from a dog that was loved and brushed for the fiber rather than wearing fur from a fox that was murdered and skinned.

 

But, whatever, to each their own. I was just trying to figure out if it is in fact illegal to sell a product made from chiengora, and from the research I've done [albeit a small amount], I don't think it is. I do agree with you, though, that it is an excellent idea to label, label, label - and, as your story proves, include more info than is necessary. I would hate to find myself in such hot water just because one of my customers is an idoit.

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  • 3 weeks later...

Sorry to show my ignorance so fully but i interpret that law as fur being with the skin as in a fur coat. Not hair as in dog hair or no one would be allowed to sell any product based on an animal whether shorn ,brushed or otherwise. But in saying this i am not from your country so how is it that i have seen web sites specialising in "chiengora" products produced for sale at all? I am totally confused and bemused by this. Is it a federal law or a state law?

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I think if one asked more questions of the governing agency, one would find out that the fur they are talking about is from a pelt(requiring the animal to be killed) and not harvested by the normal brushing or shedding of a live animal.

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I don't spin but I started reading this post and I think yarn out for pet is quite an interesting idea. I have never heard of it before.

 

I just love this site. I learn new stuff everyday.:)

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