Diamond Trellis Throw help

[NeutralGround]

I got this pattern on a skein of yarn about 12 years ago and haven't ever been able to complete it. These two rows are killing me.  Ended row 4 and started row 5.  Starting row 5, I have the dc I just made before turning, a ch 2 space, a sc, a ch 5 space, a sc, 3 dc, and a sc. 

The way row 5 sounds, I will ch 1, sc in that dc I just made, skip the ch 2 space, 3 dc in the sc, skip (the ch 5, sc and first dc)....doesn't that seem like an awful lot of area to suddenly skip?

[magiccrochetfan]

it looks like this is the pattern, isn't it?  https://www.yarnspirations.com/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-master-catalog-spinrite/default/dwf02cf8c1/PDF/RHC0502-021652M.pdf

have you tried it the way you think it should go, and found it doesn't work?    could you post a pic of what you have so far?

it is on Ravelry so you might look at project pics and notes, also posts about it, for more thoughts.  

 

[NeutralGround]

Yes it is that pattern.

I figured it out. I just started doing it the way it said, and sort of figured out that I had to add in a sc in that ch 5 space I was skipping,as well as 3 dc in the sc I was skipping. Sometimes you just have to forge head and go back when you figure out what you are missing.

[Granny Square]

The instructions for that row, copied and pasted from the pdf linked above, say

Row 5: Ch 1, sc in first dc, *3 dc in next sc, skip next dc, sc in next dc, 3 dc in next sc, sc in next ch-5 space; repeat from * across, working last sc in 3rd ch of turning ch, turn.

So, the directions appear to be correct.  Maybe you saw 'sc' and your brain read 'skip'; this happens to me sometimes on doily patterns where 1 pattern line is a lengthy paragraph; my brain gets 'cross-eyed' and I'm 'certain' it said y but after y didn't work I have to stop and parse each step carefully until I 'see' it really said z.  The only thing you skip in row 5 is the second dc after the *.

Sometimes, since I work with paper patterns I can usually scribble on, I'd take a complex line and parse it into little visual bites, like:

Row 5: Ch 1, sc in first dc, /*3 dc in next sc, / skip next dc, / sc in next dc, / 3 dc in next sc, / sc in next ch-5 space; /repeat from * across, working last sc in 3rd ch of turning ch, turn.

[Granny Square]

Wait, I just realized my brain went cross-eyed just now too, I missed your mention of the chain-2 space, which is at the end of row 4 so the first thing (well, second thing actually) thatyou encounter in row 5 - and row 5 does not address it.

Row 4 ends in 'ch 2, dc in last sc, turn'.  Row 5 begins by saying 'ch 1, sc in first dc, but it didn't say to skip the ch2 space before the first dc you encounter.  Hmm.

I looked at the Ravelry projects and read all the notes, 1 person said it was full of errors, another one said it was the first time they ever made anything from actually reading a pattern and thought it was a piece of cake, so no help there but you have to assume the pattern is not wrong--unless maybe it was amended with corrections sometime between your ball band and the version on the 'net.  Lots of finished projects that looked nice, not wonky...maybe skipping that chain 2 makes part of the 'netting' look.

Edited February 17, 2020 by Granny Square

[NeutralGround]

 I am using the one on the Net and it truly is full of errors. From row 2. when I am supposed to get 53 loops, and I end up with 55. I have triple checked my number of sc.  I even just made an excel sheet and it's not possible to have 53 loops with the directions given. No wonder I haven't been able to do this pattern at all.

[BPokorny]

Oh my gosh!! I have a headache trying to figure this out! lol It's driving me crazy so I just printed the pattern and grabbed some yarn. I'm pretty sure the pattern is right but have to see it worked, This is when charts come in handy.

 

[Granny Square]

I was thinking about graphing it out too after my last post yesterday, really you'd only need to do 1 or 2 repeats to prove it works out.  This is a good way to test a pattern, or your reading of it.

[Granny Square]

OK, I just diagrammed out 1 repeat for all 9 rows.  Because that is the WHOLE pattern, even tho copyright refers to words and photos of the copyright owner, I think it is borderline not-legal to post my diagram.

I can confirm that there are no errors in the pattern.  Do exactly what it says don't assume anything.  Where I was wondering about why Row 5 didn't spell out to skip the chain 2 in the prior row...the pattern does say to SC in the first dc, which is right after the chain 2--and yes, the chain 2 is part of the 'netting'.

Edited to add, for more clarity - in the photo in my post below, the chain 2 in row 4 is right where the number 4 is, so it is at the border of the netting/open area at the edge, and the diamond itself.

 

Edited February 18, 2020 by Granny Square

[Granny Square]

Here is a swatch of 1 repeat, odd number rows are in white, even in green.  I thought it would be easier to spot a questionable area if the rows were color coded.

It's a little hard to see the diamond with the different colors, so I outlined it in blue.

Except for omitting turning chains because I was cutting the yarn and starting with a slip knot each row, it is exactly to pattern.  Rows 9 and 8 would probably look better if you made the stitches into the chains, not around them like I did.

It looks a little odd because I cropped it really close to the edge stitches of the swatch - the threads that are going off to the left and right are just the yarn tails that I cut for each row, not a continuation of the pattern.  If you want to make a swatch like this as a sanity check / practice piece for yourself, start with 10 chains, turn, then 9 sc across.

Edited February 18, 2020 by Granny Square

[BPokorny]

I got stumped on starting row 5. now that I see yours I can see the triangle!! Thank you Granny Square! 

(My head still hurts. lol)

[Granny Square]

Your welcome!  It is a very pretty pattern, and I can imagine if you have never made a stitch pattern with an offset element, like how these 3-DC shell stitches are nestled together, it would seem odd.

I've learned after many decades to blindly follow the directions, even if I'm thinking ?what? I have found that the great majority of the time (1) I learn a cool new way to do something or (2) I was thinking 'B' but it was obvious 'A' was the way to go once I did it, or (3) it leads me to spot a mistake I made on the row before....  Yes, sometimes my doubt is justified but wrong directions lead me to what they really meant, and what to change to achieve the same end.

[NeutralGround]

In the picture, it looks like you are skipping 2 sc in row 2. Since I frogged everything I already did which was 11 rows (the diamonds weren't lining up), I think I'm putting this one to the side yet again. on row 2, did you went up with 53 ch spaces or 55?

 

[Granny Square]

Well, as you can see I only did 1 repeat, of the pattern (worked over 9 stitches), so not 53 spaces...

I'm sorry you are having problems with this, it is a pretty pattern.  Although it's rated easy, (and I agree with that rating) it is not a mindless pattern, in that you have to pay attention and every row is different--there is a repetition within the row, so you have to memorize a several-stitch-repeat that changes every row.

Edit- see post below.

 

Edited February 19, 2020 by Granny Square

[Granny Square]

I edited my above post, I just realized I blew it--I misread (and mis-diagrammed) round 2, and I was following my diagram.  I totally missed that the repeat was skip 3, I read it as skip 2 for all but the last (1) DC.

"Row 2: Ch 5 (counts as dc, ch 2), skip first 2 sc, sc in next sc, *ch 5, skip next 3 sc, sc in next sc; repeat from * to last 2 sc, ch 2, skip next sc, dc in last sc, turn—53 ch-spaces".

Maybe that's the mistake in the pattern, and I accidentally corrected it?  Let me fiddle with this, I'll be back...

 

 

[Granny Square]

OK, to back into the stitch count 53 chain spaces, we know the 2 ends are different, so to do the math on 51 chain spaces:

The middle repeats are all "skip 3, sc in next", so cover 4 stitches.  4 x 51=204 stitches.

The first chain space is "skip 2, sc in next" so covers 3 stitches.  The last chain space is made when there are 2 stitches left.

204 + 3 + 2 = 209.  So, to get 53 chain spaces, you'd have to have row 1 be 209 sc, not 217, therefore you'd want to chain 210 not 218.  Double check me, but I think that is right.  Oh, wait - you had 55 chain spaces not 53, so if you followed the pattern 2 chain spaces is 8 stitches, 209 plus 8 is 217, which is the number of sc the pattern starts out with...  Aha!