Problems with reading a diagram

[kedith]

Hello everyone! I found a really beautiful pattern but can't manage to get started because I don't understand the first part of it. Do you know what those broken lines mean? How do I make that small flower in the middle? Please help me. Thanks in advance for your patience and help.

[magiccrochetfan]

I will see what I can find.  Did you want to make a top out of squares, or....?

[kedith]

Wow, it is beautiful. I think I'm going to make it this way too.

[magiccrochetfan]

You're welcome!  Glad you like the patterns.  

 

I belatedly realized that one of the diagrams, the "ganchillo" one looked familiar to me because I have actually made it.  It was printed in a magazine called Decorative Crochet, which I think may have been a sister publication to the Spanish language Ganchillo Artistico.  

 

 

In the Dec. Cro. pattern, the petals were popcorns, but I didn't like that in my yarn so I just made clusters.  

 

[kedith]

Thank you very much for your time and effort, it was very helpful. I really like the patterns!

[magiccrochetfan]

this one is more fitted than some of the others http://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/arroyo-seco-top  available as a single pattern or in digital issue of magazine.  

[magiccrochetfan]

free pattern that actually does have a diagram of the motif yay!  (yes I love diagrams lol)

http://www.redheart.com/free-patterns/tammy’s-tunic

 

same designer's other motif based tops http://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/seaside-crochet-tank  I guess there is no diagram for this one.

 

and I think this one is cute too http://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/ring-around-the-posie  You can buy a digital copy of the magazine.  In the project photos you can see the construction is quite simple really.  Or...I knew I had seen the single pattern somewhere...it's free in this ebook http://www.crochetme.com/free-crochet-motifs-patterns   You have to sign up for the newsletter to get the ebook.  

[magiccrochetfan]

this is a pattern from another Japanese company that has the text in English but the pattern is completely diagrammed, like most Japanese patterns http://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/light-blue-pullover   It also comes in 2 sizes (most Japanese patterns are only 1 size)

You might find others of interest in their pattern store that is linked there.

[magiccrochetfan]

On ths page http://gosyo.co.jp/english/pattern/eHTML/pullover02.html

214 ss 04 is made of squares. Shown in pink but would be pretty in white or any color really. Japanese diagrammed pattern with English text from Pierrot yarn company. Free.

[kedith]

Yes, a top

[kedith]

That would be really nice of you. I can't seem to find a good pattern.

[magiccrochetfan]

In my opinion, it would be best to delete the link.   that is my understanding of the site guidelines and general considerations of copyright.  But note I am not an administrator of the site.

 

The whole thing is very frustrating because there is so much online now that is actually violating copyright (according to our understanding of copyright in the US) but it is not always easy to tell what is what.  One big red flag in my experience is if the site is in one language, but the text on the pattern is in another.  in this case the site is Russian, then one diagram is Japanese (or possibly Chinese) and the other is Spanish I think.  If the pattern looks like a photo or scan of a book/magazine page, that is another red flag.

 

Are you possibly interested in other diagrammed patterns for similar squares that have a flower in one corner and would work well in thread?  We can try to locate some for you.  

[kedith]

Thank you, should I delete the link from the forum because of the violated copyrights?

[magiccrochetfan]

I'm not sure either of the diagrams would actually make whats shown in the green thread, or the top.

 

in the Japanese pattern the dashed lines i think mean to do the dc behind the petals of the flower, so the flower stands out as a separate piece.   This is definitely, as far as I can tell, not the same as the green thread square, or the top.  

 

you're welcome for the quick reply, I just happened to see your post pretty quickly.  

 

I'm afraid the site you've linked is violating the copyright of both of the patterns.  There seem to be a lot of Russian sites/blogs that do this, which is really unfortunate for those of us who want to respect copyright.  

 

edit to add---I think the square done in green thread is the same as the squares in the white top. but neither diagram will make that exact square.  

[kedith]

Thank you for the fast response. Sorry for the photos, I'm new here, I'll put the links.

 

I am familiar with diagrams but couldn't understand how to make the granny square shown in the photo.

[magiccrochetfan]

also I just realized that the square in the photo is not the same as what is shown in the pattern.  This is also pretty common on blogs, people find an eye-catching photo and then they attach a pattern that is similar but not really the same.  

[magiccrochetfan]

continuing...

If you haven't worked from a stitch symbol diagram like this before, it is a great method to learn!  As you can see, there are some really beaurtiful patterns like this.  I'll list some resources you can use to learn to read these diagrams.

 

http://www.tezukuritown.com/nihonvogue_ravelry/doc/Japanesecharts.pdf   from publisher Nihon Vogue.  Scroll down for a pretty extensive list of the symbols.  (note this is in US terms, not UK, in case you are familiar with those....how the stitch is made is the same but the US and UK names for it are different)

 

http://gosyo.shop.multilingualcart.com/free1.php  from yarn co. Pierrot Gosyo.  Scroll down for the short videos of how to make each stitch shown as a symbol

 

Annie's has a great tutorial that walks you thru a pattern https://www.anniescatalog.com/crochet/content.html?content_id=708&type_id=S&scat_id=3

 

CraftyMinx has a good tutorial http://www.craftyminx.com/2011/11/crochet-school-lesson-21-reading-crochet-charts.html

 

If you are more familiar with UK stitch names, http://www.insidecrochet.co.uk/tutorials/tutorial-seeing-stitches-2/

it also goes into some more involved stitches.

 

Hope this is helpful

[magiccrochetfan]

welcome to the ville!

 

I'm gonna suggest that you look at the site guidelines in the Town Hall section of the forum.  We are not supposed to post pictures of patterns, scans or photos of pattern pages.  (additionally if you found the pattern online it has probably been "pirated" in that someone scanned a pattern book page and posted it online.  unfortunately this is not uncommon and often happesn with Japanese pattern books).   If you got the image from a legitimate online source, like a Japanese yarn company's or publisher's site, you can post a link to the page.  If you know the book or magazine it is from, you can tell us the title of the book as someone may ownn it to refer to.